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The Forest Service Is Dead; Long Live the Forest Service!

It's time for conservationists to collaborate with an agency they've long demonized

By Mitch Friedman
28 Feb 2006
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In 1982, Earth First!er Dave Foreman used form letters to blitz the U.S. Forest Service with administrative appeals, blocking over 100 timber sales that threatened roadless areas in several Western states.

There's a new ray of hope among forest activists.
There's a new ray of hope among forest activists.
Photo: iStockphoto.
This act of paper monkeywrenching sums up the relationship conservationists had with the Forest Service for three decades. We attempted nearly every act of peaceful hostility -- appeals, lawsuits, tree-sits -- to obstruct what was then the largest single agency in the federal government and the largest single employer in many rural communities. The Forest Service was destroying our old-growth and wild areas; it had to be stopped.

That was then. This is now.

Today the Forest Service is broken and demoralized, with a budget built more around firefighting than logging. The annual logging cut is a fraction of what it was in its heyday. Biodiversity is threatened less by the prospect of new roads and clear-cuts in wild country than by the ailing condition of old roads and tree plantations.

The conservation movement is reinventing itself to partner with old nemeses, the timber industry and rural Western communities, to give the Forest Service new life and a new mission to face the challenge of the next 30 years: restoring to ecological health America's federal forestlands.

Retreat or Regroup?


Anyone looking for signs of the death of environmentalism might think they found pay dirt in the wilderness/forest protection movement. The administration of George W. Bush has left skid marks on our backs as it's stripped away Clinton-era gains, such as the roadless-area policy and parts of the Pacific Northwest's old-growth protection plan. Passage of the Healthy Forest Restoration Act of 2003 seemed at the time like the greatest defeat of public-lands conservation since John Muir's heartbreak at Hetch Hetchy. The dream for a multistate Big Wild legislative agenda now has no voice. Our flagship intellectual magazine, Wild Earth, folded in 2004.

But what looks like full-scale retreat disguises a regrouping. New ideas and strategies are fomenting that are a better fit to modern challenges.

The remarkable new buzzwords on our federal forests today are collaboration and restoration. Fewer hands swing sticks to beat the Forest Service out of old growth and roadless areas. More hold carrots to encourage a future mission of restoring forests damaged by a century of abuse. The effect is stunning:

  • On Oregon's Fremont National Forest, a new plan to restore Ponderosa pine forests on the Lakeview Federal Stewardship Unit was worked out entirely by collaboration among key stakeholders.

  • In Alabama, a new generation of Forest Service manager gives a courtesy call to WildLaw's Ray Vaughan before deviating from landscape-scale restoration plans.

  • The Gifford Pinchot National Forest, in the Washington Cascades, has shifted from clear-cutting old forests to thinning plantations, as conservationists work with rural leaders and timber reps to design mutually beneficial restoration projects.

  • On the Colville National Forest, in northeastern Washington, conservationists and timber interests are going beyond collaborative design of stewardship projects (to thin dry forests and reduce fire risk to communities) and are steadily negotiating land-use allocations including -- wait for it -- designated wilderness.

  • On Arizona's Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest, the massive White Mountain Stewardship Contract enjoys across-the-board support. The Center for Biological Diversity engaged early, as soon as the Forest Service had sworn off cutting big trees or outside the wildland/urban interface.

  • Conservation and timber leaders are collaborating on a restoration assessment for the entire southern half of New Mexico's Gila National Forest, including development of infrastructure to sustain a restoration-based economy. The project has brought almost $3 million to local communities.
The list of groups engaged in collaborative restoration reads like a "who's who" of old warlords: The Wilderness Society, Center for Biological Diversity, The Lands Council, Conservation Northwest (formerly Northwest Ecosystem Alliance), Gifford Pinchot Task Force, WildLaw, Kettle Range Conservation Group, and Cascadia Wildlands Project.

Not everyone is on the bandwagon, however. Michael McCloskey, former executive director of the Sierra Club, recently griped to the Christian Science Monitor that collaboration comprises "a lot of talk and little follow-through." Similarly, a Seattle activist advised a listserv discussion, "Agreeing to agree with ranchers or loggers or second-home developers seeking federal land entitlements has not worked very well, so far."

There remains enough bad news to whet such cynicism. Southwest Oregon is still at loggerheads over salvage after the Biscuit fire and efforts by the Bureau of Land Management to ramp up old-growth logging by opting out of Clinton's Northwest Forest Plan. Nothing has changed in northern Idaho, where one would sell fewer seats to a logging collaboration than to an NFL referee appreciation night in Seattle. There are still strongholds of unreconstructed timber beasts within the Forest Service and BLM.

Nonetheless, the new trend is clear.

Chinese Handcuffs


This trend shows acceptance of new times and new needs on our national forests. Thanks to a higher threshold of science and trust, conservationists are starting to accept logging to address forest issues like these:

  • Many second-growth stands of dry forest (Ponderosa pine) are overcrowded and stressed due to decades of fire suppression, high-grade logging, and cattle grazing. Evidence mounts that thinning of small-diameter trees can improve ecological conditions and reduce the risk of undesirable types of fires.

  • Some stands of rare old-growth Ponderosa pine are, due to fire suppression, overgrown with competing small trees. Fires that would previously have been beneficial could currently be fatal. Careful thinning of these stands to help restore natural fire regimes may be the only hope.

  • Second-growth plantations on the wet, west side of the Cascades can be thinned to accelerate development of old-growth habitat conditions needed to recover the northern spotted owl and other species.
Restoring front country is a necessary ecosystem complement to protecting backcountry. We know that in most regions there is not enough roadless country and old growth remaining to sustain the species, ecosystems, and watershed values we care about. Let's help create more! Restoring low-elevation forests may in time have a bigger biological payoff than completing our mountaintop wilderness agenda.

Moreover, conservationists don't have to choose between roadless areas and restoring forests, as the opportunity exists to have both. Like Chinese handcuffs, the curious novelty from which you can only extract your fingers by trying less, a focus on active logging of the front country can bring about protection of backcountry. This is due to the shrunken state of the Forest Service and to federal belt-tightening. The agency is so weakened and constrained that most ranger districts have not the means to simultaneously advance bad timber sales and good restoration projects. When we engage on the ground with our local foresters and help them to understand our vision, the result is not just improvement of specific projects, but also the focusing of scarce agency resources that might otherwise be misspent on clear-cuts. In this process we enable a new generation of better land managers to perform, succeed, and ascend to leadership.

The best hope for conservationists in steering the restoration ship is to have a hand on its rudder. If we instead leave the steering to others, they will guide it toward the shoals of controversy. For instance, I believe that logging at upper elevations, such as lodgepole pine forests, destroys vital wildlife habitat and does not reduce the spread of insects like mountain pine beetle. We should steer the work toward the lower-elevation, drier forests for which scientific consensus is emerging.

At the risk of carrying the sailing analogy too far, the collaborative approach also is resilient against changing political winds. Rural communities are tired of the boom-and-bust cycles of Republican governments and the raw commodity economy. Collaboration, assisted by the experience of community forestry groups and other allies, represents a vital center that can provide quality, long-term work.

Enviros should push to thin overgrown stands before they get charred.
Enviros should push to thin overgrown stands before they get charred.
Photo: iStockphoto.
Similarly, post-fire salvage logging is another boom-bust cycle that collaborative restoration can help us avoid. Since conservationists strongly disagree with the view that post-fire logging benefits the land, we need to get better at advocating for restoration logging before the fire. When our voice is silent on the latter, we leave a vacuum that is irresistible to politicians like Reps. Greg Walden (R-Ore.) and Brian Baird (D-Wash.), who are promoting a bill to expedite post-disturbance logging under the guise of restoration. The more we engage in active restoration, the less vulnerable we are to the vagaries of wildfire and salvage politics.

A Battle for Our Soul


Our only hope for meeting the challenge at the scale of restoration needs is through active partnering with timber and community interests.

Together we must battle for the soul of the Forest Service. It cannot restore our forests as a broken institution. But with full and active support of conservation groups and communities, perhaps it can regain its lost esprit de corps to become an institution that would make Teddy Roosevelt proud.

There is no other way.

In this age of Bush's outrageous debt, we will not see congressional appropriations sufficient to provide meaningful restoration of forests and watersheds. The $10 billion needed to remove or fix bad federal logging roads is not going to ride in from yonder. Oregon's Siuslaw National Forest can't even get enough appropriated dollars to prepare popular and profitable restoration thinning projects above a scant 20 million board feet per year. By partnering with the Forest Service, we can improve its chances of getting funding for the needed work.

The Forest Service is also critically hampered by process. This is not because the National Environmental Policy Act requires the agency to publish a library even for timber projects that warrant no public concern. It is because we noble conservationists, during 30 years of defense of our wild country, pummeled agency bureaucrats into thinking that's what NEPA requires. A lot of paperwork that is necessary when a federal agency proposes to harm the environment is not necessary for beneficial projects.

Red tape should not get in the way of protecting the environment. Conservation groups must demonstrate this or suffer the consequences. If we want our forest ecosystems restored, we must now disabuse the Forest Service of the inefficiencies we helped to impose. We must rescue the Forest Service by becoming its friend, its ally, and its core constituency.

"Naive!" will cry the faithful. "Won't this restoration agenda and resurrection of the Forest Service aid and abet the timber industry, our sworn enemy?"

Yes. But so it must be. For this is also a battle for the soul of the timber industry. There remain a few unreconstructed timber beasts, but we have better options than directing our attention solely at them.

We restore our forests by partnering with forward thinkers in the timber industry, of which there are plenty. There are mill owners who invested in capital-intensive equipment that can only process small logs. Their survival and success depend on us laying down the mighty pen of appeals to help lay out good timber sales. Just a few years ago, Duane and Russ Vaagen, the second and third generations of Vaagen Brothers Lumber Inc., in Colville, Wash., would hire buses to cram public meetings in their push for federal clearcuts. Times have changed. At a congressional field hearing this past August, Duane and I endorsed one another's testimony in front of a small, respectful audience.

Your local timber executive has plenty of headaches. His product is undercut by technology that allows wood applications to be beautifully served by bamboo ground into chips and glued back together. His market is undercut not just by cheap wood and wood surrogates from the Third World and by Canadian subsidies, but also by the effects of global warming, like the flood of salvaged bug-kill from British Columbia and hurricane-kill from the Gulf Coast. His access to federal timber is limited by the dysfunctional Forest Service described above and by conservationists that need to take a fresh look at the situation.

Does that mean we can trust him to properly carry out the restoration needs of our federal forests? In theory, no. There will always be incentives that run contrary to conservation interests.

But in actuality, we have little choice. The needed restoration work will not happen without us investing ourselves. Like any investment, this one involves risk. The risks are unlikely to be the ones we are accustomed to, like new roads (too expensive, irrespective of the fate of the roadless policy) or old-growth cutting (the big equipment needed is rusting away). Instead new threats will emerge, from biofuel plants run amok to slipshod restoration work done at least cost by foreign host worker contractors that amount to modern slave-traders. But we must turn toward the risks in the way our predecessors, from John Muir to Dave Brower, turned to face theirs.

Genuinely engaging in collaborative restoration need not equate to unilateral disarmament. We are all adult enough to know that conflict and litigation will continue, though hopefully at reduced levels. A collaborator needs to be more judicious and thoughtful in the use of appeals and lawsuits, but still keep them as potential tools that may even help sustain the incentive for collaborative work.

Biocentrism Is Not Just for Poets


This article commits identity theft. Here I challenge the conservation movement to give up its self-image as sole stewards of the light, gatekeepers to a new and better philosophy of life. This orthodoxy -- druid activists preserving wildlands; holy work done by holy people guided by holy doctrine -- is limiting. The Deep Ecology movement stalled by claiming as exclusive to itself a land ethic that had (and still has) the prospect of connecting with bedrock American values.

Disclosure: I was brought reluctantly into the fold of community collaborative restoration. A defining moment for me occurred in a volunteer fire hall in southwest Washington in which each of us, being a diverse group of so-called stakeholders, articulated our 100-year vision. The words of John Squires, a local woodcutter, steelhead fisher, and third-generation native of rural eastern Lewis County, resonated for me in ways that Deep Ecology poets never had:

"I dream of a day when salmonids inhabit the Cispus and Cowlitz basin in numbers even greater than I remember as a young kid. I dream the forest we all love will have survived pollution and encroachment from nearby urban areas, and global warming. The forest will have intact, functioning ecosystems and support a wide variety of species."

That dream will not be fulfilled without community-based collaboration to promote active restoration. That restoration will not occur without the calloused hands of skilled workers like Squires. And the schools in John's town will not stay open without the wood and jobs generated by that restoration.

I want to be in common cause with John Squires. I want his community to prosper through the restoration of front-country forests that complement the roadless wild country we can be so proud of having already protected. The World Wildlife Fund estimates that more than 2.3 billion board feet can be thinned, without touching a single tree more than 80 years old, from BLM lands in western Oregon alone.

We have at hand an opportunity -- brought about by the successes of our lawsuits and campaigns, by the advance of new science, and by the vagaries of changing technologies and markets -- to build a new conservation movement and a new Forest Service to advance a new central idea of restoration.

Our emerging conservation movement has the boldness to partner with old enemies and collaborate with communities we never before trusted, and that haven't trusted us. It has as its goal the conservation of ecosystems that have not only wildlands at their core, but restored productive forest habitat surrounding that core. It runs campaigns that, instead of polarizing rural communities and burning through whatever equity remains in the political capital of conservation, can bring communities together around a common agenda.

The opportunity awaits us. The question is whether we, as a movement, have the courage to say "yes."

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Mitch Friedman is a biologist and founder (in 1989) of Conservation Northwest, which he directs from Bellingham, Wash. He was one of the first tree-sitters and a founding board member of The Wildlands Project and American Lands. He thanks Dave Werntz, Jasmine Minbashian, Tim Coleman, David Heflick, Andy Kerr, Todd Schulke, Mike Petersen, James Johnston, and Dominick DellaSalla for comments on drafts of this essay.
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Truce with Forest Service

California is conspicuously absent from this discussion. The agency continues to promote bad projects (for example, you need go no further than the recent controversy over salvage logging of the Biscuit Fire and the attempt by some timber industry proponents at OSU and the agencies to suppress scientific research--see Washington Post, February 26). I don't know of anyone in California who is tying up the FS with appeals and lawsuits--does anyone have the time or money to do that??--unless it is absolutely necessary to keep the agency from destroying habitat for rare and endangered species, using pseudoscience to justify unsustainable logging  and other illegal and unethical acts. I get Mitchell's point, but collaboration is a two way street...

tough sell

It ain't so pretty in the South East either. Clear-cuts are aplenty, and they've gotten smart about it- they leave a hundred feet or so around roads so you can't see that a hundred acres has been cleared. Much of the unsustainable logging in these parts is done without the USFS getting involved, because it is privately owned (much of it by logging companies). Conservationists are too busy fighting privates to worry about the USFS.

This article sure sounds like justification for huge timber sales- small diameter or not, it still removes accumulated life energy from the forest, alters habitat, and removes nutrients. Aren't the young trees needed to take over for those damaged by big storms (global warming) and infestations (due to species loss)? This is not the way nature created old-growth forest, and it's hard to believe that thinning is going to re-create what took hundreds of years of favorable conditions without interference from humans. Is there clear agreement and reliable data to support this theory?

As for feeling sorry for the 'beaten-down' forest service or logging companies, just call me heartless. Certain industries are unsustainable and must go away while the Earth recovers. We must support restoration, and it can provide jobs, and the USFS should be involved, but windfall profits from huge 'timber' sales need to end forever. Trees have far more value alive than dead.

a liberal in redsville

Forest Privatization

Nice article, but don't you think we need to look at the Bush budget proposal that wants to sell 300,000 acres of National Forest lands in 32 states? Possibly we need to ask congress why the administration plans to outsource 2/3 of all forest service jobs by 2009. These actions could be the beginning of a total privatization push by the Bush team. Which would make this article somewhat unimportant. Sub-divisions and summer trophy homes don't really belong on National lands. Please call or write your Senators and your Congressional representatives to stop this privatization plan by the Bush administration. Grist Mill! have they even addressed the issue of National Forest privatization? Oh well...Peace

Restoration

I knew Mitch pretty well from our Earth First! days in the '80s.  I haven't seen or talked to him in 15-20 years, but he was as cool as anyone, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here unless I hear otherwise from another old EF!er.

Fundamentally, restoration toward natural (i.e., free from human interference) ecosystems is the ONLY justifiable reason for killing trees, the idea of which I generally strongly dislike.  However, some forests have become unnaturally overgrown due to fire suppression and/or cattle grazing, both of which were supported on OUR federal lands by the Forest Disservice and the Bureau of Leasing (to ranchers) and Mining (BLM).  In these situations, thinning of the forests would be a good thing.  The problem is, I don't trust the government, which is more in the pockets of industry than ever, or private industry, which only cares about profits and jobs, to limit killing trees to the thinning needed to restore native ecosystems to their natural condition.  These two groups have an enormous way to go to prove that they're willing to restrict logging to the amount needed for restoration.  If they show that they are, this plan should be supported.

Jeff Hoffman

Good article

The thought that 'killing a tree is bad' is ludicrous, wood is as necessary as food. Forests are a wonderful spiritual thing, but a lot of people confuse their spiritual needs with the science behind forest ecology, silviculture and forest management, as well as our dependence on wood. Many people who are anti-tree cutting (not referring to true environmentalists who conserve their resources to the max) are people who are increasing their wood consumption: average size home went from 1500 ft2 30 or 40 years ago to above 3000 today.

Conservation is the single most important concept in environmentalism (and while old-growth and other preservation is important, you and I need to eat and live, and that won't happen if we focus our time only on preserving without using and conserving), and this is the basis on which the USFS was founded (see Gifford Pinchot's work). USFS has become incredibly inefficient lately, in part due to all the litigation that consumes much of its resources. Also, thinning a forest has several very important goals, one of which is to make the trees grow faster and be more vigorous and disease-resistant. Another thing, clear-cutting 'working-forests' is also NOT A BAD THING if done properly (at least in the NE US, and problems with it in the NW US are associated with poor forestry). Also, why aren't more people against agriculture? If you think of it in terms of a final clear-cut that REALLY destroys the forest? I am getting sick of saying this, so I will refer all the readers to the discussion in Mapled Crusaders:

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/2/23/115418/386

I have put in as much info into my post titled 'conservation' as my busy schedule allows.

I did have one question to the author: the majority of the wood that is to be thinned is small or dying. That implies that much of it cannot be sawed to any boardfeet (and really the breakdown should be in cords/bdft anyhow), and most of it will go to the pulp/paper/bio-energy sector. What is being done to promote this market on regional and local level?

NOT so good...

How can you say "Forests are a wonderful spiritual thing" and in the same breath say " The thought that 'killing a tree is bad' is ludicrous"? Apparently, the tree's only 'spiritual' worth is the one that fools like me imagine it has- any value other than it's material use as 'wood' or 'lumber' is irrelevant. You also claim that "clear-cutting 'working-forests' is also NOT A BAD THING". I suppose a 'working forest' is one that Man has chosen to serve Him and no other creature, and therefore grows only the kind of tree that He wants until it is time to die. Tell us, exactly what is the 'right way' to clear-cut a forest? How do you make up for the 100+ years of organic matter lost from the soil? How do you protect the ground from baking in the sun and washing away in direct rainfall, with nothing to shade the ground or to soak up the water? How do you purify the water that the trees used to aspirate? Do you put back the used wood to feed the forest floor- or does it go into a landfill? Obviously, what WOULD be needed to put back what was taken is rarely (if ever) done. What you call 'good forestry' is really the science of deferring the true cost of forest destruction to other generations and other species. It can be 'maintained' for just so long, but it is NOT sustainable.

You cannot really believe that there is no environmental cost to clearing an old-growth hardwood forest, full of diversity and accumulated life force, and replacing it with a disease  susceptible tree-farm that gets clear-cut until the land is truly dead and finally sold off to housing developers or ranchers.

Perhaps home sizes have increased (in large part) because USFS give- aways and the privatization of forests has kept lumber costs artificially low (just like oil subsidies).

If the forest service is indeed tied up in court (by hypocritical bleeding heart ecologists who have misplaced their spirituality), wouldn't it be more efficient if it gave up destructive policies that are not sustainable and not supported by the public but by private logging companies and the developers who swoop in after clear-cuts?

I'm sure you won't object if one day the 'more advanced and deserving' species that planted it's crop of humanity on this planet returns to reap the harvest and consume mankind for it's noble purpose. You will say "ahh, that's the meaning of life" and willingly jump into the people-chipper, right?

a liberal in redsville

Truce, or surrender?

Kudos to Mitch Friedman for articulating a vision in which everyone involved with public forests gets along, where the lions lay down with the lambs.  It sounds really quite remarkable.  But, sadly, most things which sound too good to be true are, in fact, too good to be true.  And that's what's wrong with Friedman's collaborative vision - it's just too good to be true.

What Friedman is essentially proposing is for the conservation community to actively sign over a large proportion of the federally owned forests to the timber industry, in perpetuity.  This isn't some philosophical discussion about favoring or opposing the idea of "zero cut."  This is about conservationists actively promoting high - breathtakingly high - cut levels on public forests, and ignoring the kind of long term damage that those cut levels would inflict not just on salmon and other aquatic resources, but the whole range of things that we value about public forests.

The numbers he tosses out are astounding.  2.3 billion board feet of timber just waiting there to be thinned?  It's a sad fact that thinning forests can often have even worse effects than clearcutting them.  Many more acres are affected, and vastly more roads required, to extract any given amount of timber volume.  But, we are told, thinning just lets a little light into the dense, dark, overgrown forests, and hastens the day when they too will become old-growth. Sounds great, but again, those things that sound too good to be true almost always are too good to be true.  And that's the sad truth about thinning.  It requires massive road construction, and depends totally on ground based yarding, which means lots of heavy machinery driving all through a forest to drag logs away, compacting and severely damaging soils, and sending that soil straight into streams and rivers, choking fish.  It opens up stands where trees have protected each other from wind, meaning that many of the leave trees end up blowing down.  Thinning does not hasten the development of old growth, in fact its effects are quite the opposite.  It leaves a degraded, unnatural forest.  The "emerging scientific consensus" in favor of thinning that Friedman talks about has emerged largely among those researchers whose funding depends upon finding justifications for increased logging.  

People do not know how to do better than mother Nature in creating old growth forests.  Forests are not "restored" by carving roads through them and logging them.  Even in drier forests where fire suppression has led to unnatural fuel buildups, there is little or no evidence that thinning is of much benefit.  Some places may just have to burn, and that's not necessarily bad.  Burning has far fewer bad effects than the kind of roading densities and ground yarding that would be required for thinning on the scale envisioned by Friedman.  Thinning and brush clearing does make sense in areas immediately surrounding houses and communities, but not beyond that.

Of course we need a timber industry, and there is no danger at all of it going away.  Some of Friedman's ideas deserve to be tried out - on private lands, not public forests.  When the National Forests were created a century ago, they were essentially the leftovers, the places the timber industry didn't want, less productive lands, usually mountainous or higher elevation.  The timber industry got the good lands, and that is where creative new ideas in forestry should be tested out.  Logging in National Forests has never been anything other than a subsidy to a favored few corporations.  Just when the conservation movement has finally gotten cut levels down to bearable levels, along comes Friedman wanting to push them up again.  He sounds more like a timber lobbyist than a tree hugger.

We'd all like to see the "calloused hands" of Friedman's old time logger doing productive work.  But, please, let's have that happen someplace other than on the National Forests.  The subsidized, public lands based timber industry is finally on the ropes, just as the buffalo hunters and whalers were before them.  Let's hope that it dies.  The forests will be far better off without it.  Let's not put it on life support as Friedman proposes, allowing it to further destroy the only public forests we have left.  

       

response to atreyger

It's remarkable what modern mills can do, converting trees with tops as small as 4" diameter into boards. But its certainly true that much of the material is more suited to biomass or chips. There's ongoing debate, in Congress, communities and among conservationists, on the question of subsidizing infrasucture (such as biomass plants) to create markets for this materials. I noted one example (Gila NF) in the article.
   In reply to Snoqualman, other than some basic mistruths (far from needing more roads, we've found thinning can actually fund removal of existing roads)and mischaracterizations of science and empirical experience, the rest of what he wrote is same old, same old. He might even have plagarized it from things I myself have written (and believed) over a decade ago. Live and learn.

response

I consider forests to be a spiritual thing, but I also consider unique rock formations to be spiritual. It doesn't make them the same. Same goes for trees and forests. Just because you have a bunch of trees together doesn't make them a forest.

As far as clearcuts, I hope you thoroughly read my other post. In it I am referring to progressive strip or patch clearcuts, which are functionally the same as a clearcut with plentiful advance regeneration. Of course, the size of the cut is relevant, as is the amount of slash removed (several benefits of leaving some: erosion control, tempering of the ground surface temps, exclusion of herbivores and protection of fragile seedlings, but negatives also: insect and pathogen refugia, poor aesthetical quality), previous natural variability in disturbance on the landscape level, and species' tolerance of the conditions.

Here are some responses to your questions: "Tell us, exactly what is the 'right way' to clear-cut a forest?" I already tried to cover this, in my opinion: by progressively cutting whole strips (maybe 3-5 acre area with about 2-3 tree-lengths in width every 5 or so years, not exceeding 20 for the whole stand, but that's only to make it 'even-aged' by definition, it could be whatever you actually want) or if plentiful advance regeneration is available maybe all at once, with removal of the entire overhead canopy: this works very well for shade-intermediate and shade-intolerant tree species.

"How do you make up for the 100+ years of organic matter lost from the soil?" Good question, most ecologists and silviculturists suggest that in about 50-60 years, o.m. levels and complexity of litter duff and upper soil horizons (epipedons) will be the same as pre-cut. This seems to hold true in most temperate systems. Side note: I am really concerned with the ability of tropical systems to be as resilient, and they are by far the major source of pulp and to a lesser degree roundwood in the world right now.

"How do you protect the ground from baking in the sun and washing away in direct rainfall, with nothing to shade the ground or to soak up the water?" Good question, good best management practices (BMP's) such as prog. strip clearc., leaving slash to shade the ground, etc. would take care of that. BMP's are something that is promoted within the government AND the industry, since the industry tends to be in it for the long haul, at least in the NE (not to say that it is always done, which is both a shame for the ones who do not and a major cause of concern).

"How do you purify the water that the trees used to aspirate?" I think you mean respire, but in reality it should be transpire, and this question is extraordinarily stupid (I'm sorry, I tried to think of ways to sugar-coat it, maybe unlearned is better?), as the trees are the ones who are 'cleaning' the water of nutrients. The nutrient spikes are an issue on watershed scales, where inputs of high nutrients are responsible for eutrophication of fresh- and estuarine waterbodies. Once again, if implemented, BMP's, prog. strip clearc., riparian buffer zones (a type of BMP and overall a damn good idea: since my M.S. focused on this, and I just have to plug it), and growth of the regeneration and 'intermitten' species, such as raspberries usually take care of it, through moderating the effects during the first few (about three) years, after which it becomes a non-issue.

"Do you put back the used wood to feed the forest floor- or does it go into a landfill?" Well, are you talking about slash? That's usually left for previously stated reasons, as well as being economically unfeasible to remove. If you are talking about trim at the sawmills, that is usually used to power and heat them (making them sustainable, in my opinion, with regard to carbon sequestration). However, there is a concern with removing too many logs (good for coarse woody debris and snags for wildlife) and thus should be more regulated by foresters and considered when applying treatments.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe at all that everything should be clear-cut or even the majority of stands, since I think that there should be a good balance with regard to natural and historical (in US think Indian tribes burning forests) variability of disturbances, as well as optimum amounts of habitat for maximum biodiversity (assuming that is a good thing). I am also not against preserving old-growth (and especially ecologically sensitive areas), I am not pro-cutting everything, I am thinking about these things in the context of modern socioeconomics (rural communities need income, and people need wood) and available science, which suggests that there is a need for both horizontal and vertical structural diversity in order to maintain the largest biodiversity at the landscape level. My research has to do with sustainability of silviculture and timber harvesting on a landscape level, and it is important to realize that sustainability does not come with harvesting a few big logs here and there. That actually leads to genetic depletion of a stand, and reduction of biodiversity (both plant and likely animal). There also needs to be a certain amount (maybe more than half or maybe 3/4, I don't know yet) of uneven-aged (selection) systems, which allow for maximum vertical structural diversity and little horizontal. Maybe the two types of systems should be united at the landscape level to produce functional landscapes, stands and ecosystems.

In regard to Snoqualman, National Forests cover vast amounts of productive acreage out West, and while I agree that there has been some mismanagement of taxpayer money, these lands are NOT leftovers that no one wanted. Just wanted to say that. Alright, hopefully ya'll will read this and think about these issues analytically and with due regard to facts and science. Thanks for reading, come back soon and all that jazz.

one more thing

Wood contains much less nutrients than leaves, bark, small branches and the roots. So by removing wood from a site, non-carbon nutrients loss is relatively small and will be regained by microbial activity (nitrogen mineralization or nitrification) or atmospheric deposition.

but in practice...

Thanks, atreyger- your expertise is apparent. It sounds great, but I gotta tell ya, I've never seen it done that way. Surely, much of what you discuss is untested, since that kind of logging has not been practiced for long in many places. If the USFS was only proposing that kind of cutting, I seriously doubt it would be in court defending it's decisions very often. To expect logging companies to exercise that kind of self-restraint without major arm-twisting is unrealistic, in my opinion. It is still much cheaper and profitable (in the short term) to clear large areas at a time, leaving very little behind (under the guise of fire prevention).

I'm confused about the water issue- don't trees act as water purifiers, taking in polluted rainwater and releasing pure water vapor?

It still seems unwise to me to trust the agency responsible for so much short-sightedness- like the villan who is down, but will rise up as soon as you let down your guard.

Forgive me for respecting the life force within the trees- I still would prefer to see wood alternatives, wood re-use and recycling. If our economy relies on new developments and housing growth for it's health, then we are on a fast track to destruction of our ecosystem.

a liberal in redsville

Friedman's point

Birdboy, I think you've forgotten one of Friedman's primary points.  It is time for conservation agencies to engage with the Forest Service.  With engagement and collaboration, conservation agencies can push for the types of practices that atreyger is discussing.  As long as it's an adversarial relationship, it's that much harder to become involved in the planning of healthier, more sustainable logging practices on our public lands.  

Do I wish we could just stop all logging, preserve all forests, and let Mother Nature do her thing?  Yes, but I think it's time that folks start looking at the reality of the situation.  Our society has a voracious appetite for wood products, whether it's for ridiculously large McMansions, junk mail, newspapers, whatever.  This is not going to change anytime soon, no matter how much we wish it would.  Do I think this is a good thing?  Absolutely not.  Do I wish all paper was made from primarily recycled pulp?  Of course.  Do I wish people lived in smaller homes?  Duh.  But my point is that until our usage of wood products becomes more sustainable, we should not be exporting our problems to countries that have fewer/no environmental standards when it comes to logging.  (And as an aside, think about the fossil fuels used to transport this wood to the US.)  That is what we are doing right now.  In the short term, wouldn't it be better to encourage the sorts of healthy logging practices that atreyger is suggesting here at home, so as to lessen our reliance on even less sustainably cut woods from other countries?  My answer is yes, but no doubt many will disagree.  

Killing Trees Is Wrong

Period.  It is immoral to kill anything one doesn't eat.  As I said in my earlier post, removing trees that would not be there if not for destructive human activities would be an exception.

In response to atreyger's comment that "wood is as necessary as food," I have just one word:  Why?  People don't eat trees, and many cultures lived without killing trees, using small amounts of deadwood or no wood at all.  It's only our highly environmentally destructive lifestyle that requires trees, but that's does not make them necessary.

Jeff Hoffman

reflex aversion

It should be illegal to import wood not 'harvested' in a sustainable manner (if it really can be done). These practices are why America is not what it pretends to be- our biggest export may be environmental crime. This is the unintended result of environmental laws that exist in America only because of those troublesome tree-huggers who Friedman paints as villains!

In those thriller movies, when the villain is down, I'm the guy yelling 'kill him- NOW!". I'm just sayin'...

The forest service still hasn't offered to sit down with me and discuss 'good management'. Instead, they sit down with loggers, decide what to do, and then announce it like it's a done deal. The comment period is allowed to pass, and the comments are noted and filed (under 'yah, right'). Hence, the lawsuit.

When they re-structure the FS and re-write it's primary mission statement to a quick-shift toward restoration, and hire guys like atreyger to run the show, then we should sit down and talk.

Our problem is not that logging is hard to do with a loving touch, but that we have a voracious (and unnecessary) appetite for wood. We should be fighting the problem from the demand side, as well as the supply side. Better management goes under the heading of short-term goals, but it worries me when people tell me I have to accept that our reckless consumption is not going to change. Stop saying that.

a liberal in redsville

sigh... getting sleepy

Well, a lot of these practices are actually currently being done, partially out of good will of educated foresters and partially due to rise in standards, such as FSC or SFI certification. FSC certification and market for these product needs to continue being the goal of forest product policy. In most of Europe, it is very hard to buy or sell wood (raw logs or sawn boards) that is not certified. This should be the case in the US, but isn't, it's just like organic food: a specialty market. I heard sometime ago that in Germany, organic food production is on the order of 30% of all food production. First off, by now it should be the same here, second, it should be same or similar with wood certified products. I will try to look into how many companies are certified tommorow.

Conservation is my personal priority, but it is virtually impossible to single- or small-group-handedly (is that a word?) to convince the rest of US citizens to do. There are some interesting side issues with that though: think of the potential for carbon sequestration if we could all have more wood products such as books without recycling or throwing them out (of course the trees need to grow quicker, and this has not yet been shown to be true worldwide: it depends on moisture regimes, nutrient limitations, etc.).

birdboy: trees and plants in general (usually coupled with mycorrhizal fungi, symbiotic critters) take out leaching nutrients from groundwater solution or from soil aggregates through use of organic acids and let some water escape (more so with smaller plants than trees). Trees do transpire water, but it is not 'pure' in the true sense of the word: there is plenty of carbon dioxide, some methane (groundbreaking research apparently, I still have to read that article), and some volatile organic compounds (smells) with few nitrogenous compounds (not a lot).

Jeff: How about killing invasive species? What's your take on that? And somehow I don't think that humans only used deadwood. My knowledge of this subject is very limited, but from what I have seen on Discovery or Travel channel, tribal Africans and South Americans use live wood (think huts, dugout canoes, etc.). Dead wood is just not very structurally sound, and can only be burned. When I started to learn how to make a bow (that project is on a hiatus right now) you can't use dead wood, simply because it's rotten. Why is it OK to 'kill' something to eat it, but not OK to 'kill' something to use it? I'm using quotes, because a lot of plants (both ag and forest) are clonal and regrow rather well. Plus if you think of the genetic component, than you never are really killing anything (myself included) if you are allowing it to pass on its genes. This is also applicable to animals (but here there is awareness of surrounding environments at, close or better than our level), and this becomes personal preference.

HUGE side note: there is nothing wrong with hunting either (a lot of people may disagree, but I doubt there is a better way to get meat), and I think that most people are hypocrites (especially my ex who would eat bacon for breakfast but then complain about that idea).

Other Cultures

From what you "have seen on Discovery or Travel channel" (?!) you don't think other cultures did without kiliing trees?  Dude, try actually educating yourself instead of being braiwashed by the idiot box!  Go to the library and check out some books on traditional indigenous cultures, starting with those that used to exist on Turtle Island.  "Question everything" is more true for TV than any other form of media.  The vast majority of traditional indigenous cultures killed either no trees or so few that it was unnoticeable

Jeff Hoffman
Non-Native Species

Yes, non-natives are a HUGE problem (both plants and animals) and should definitely be removed.  This is another exception.

However, the feeling I get from your posts is that you are at least American middle class and have no clue how others live or lived, or how it's possible to live.  Saying that wood is "necessary" evinces gross ignorance of what is really necessary: unpolluted air, water, and land, and healthy ecosystems with all of their native flora and fauna intact in healthy numbers.  All else is luxury.

And, BTW, I agee about hunting, but due to our gross overpopulation, I think everyone needs to eat as vegan as possible until our numbers are low enough that we can hunt without disrupting the populations of other species.

Jeff Hoffman

Fire kills

Last time I heard, many Native American tribes set fires to maintain savanna conditions (such as in the Willamette Valley, Oregon).  I would imagine that those killed many trees (saplings), grasses, animals, etc. that they did not eat.  

And dugout canoes.  Those weren't dead trees.  Long houses were made of wood.  What about poles for teepees?  How about the grasses/reeds that were "killed" for basket making?  

Sure, maybe some indigenous peoples did not kill trees but that's probably because they lived in climates where they weren't available.  I think you would be hard pressed to find an indigenous culture that did not "kill" live trees as a resource.  Granted, it was generally much more sustainable than what is happening now but you only gloss over that point ("so few that it was unnoticeable"--except Easter island).

Cherry picking when it is ok to cut down trees (restoration, invasives, not noticeable) seems a bit hypocritical to me.  

Arguing that killing trees is immoral is not going to solve any problem that our society is facing and it is definitely not going to save any trees.        

yep

Thanks mpb1111. My point exactly. And, Jeff, I have been exposed to different cultures, growing up for the first 10 years of my life in Russia, a place, where if you don't use wood, you die.

correction

'a place, where if you don't use wood, you die.'
Traditionally that is.

Certification numbers

FSC certifed (USA only): 99 forests for a total area of 5,620,306 ha

SFI certified (assumption is US, since I do not think it works anywhere else): more than 136 million ac / 2.5 ha/ac = 54,400,000 ha

Overall forest cover (US, Sustainable Forests USFS publication, 2003): 749 mill ac / 2.5 ha/ac = 299,600,000 ha

Historic perspecitve (prior to settlement): 1 billion acres  / 2.5 ha/ac = 400,000,000 ha

SFI is an industry-based goal of management principle verified by independent third-party auditors. The principles are heavily skewed to the silvicultural and managerial aspects of forestry. Historically it makes sense, since for example there are few indigenous people left to 'deal' with.

FSC, an independent certifier, puts more criteria into the sector of socioeconmic responsibility (indigenous rights, community and worker rights, local use of wood, etc.), while maintaining broader silvicultural and management criteria (I think these criteria are specifically left to the regional standards, as FSC and SmartWood label are a global certification agency). Thus, this is a more stringent label, however I do not think that SFI certification is 'bad', it does maintain a good level of sustainability built into it.

To put it in a slightly different perspective: between 1982 and 1997, 11.7 mill ac (or 4.68 mill ha) were converted to developed land and 7.9 mill ac (3.16 mill ha) were converted to range, crop or pasture land (USFS 2003), combined almost twice the forest area certified by FSC. Also definition of a forest is 30% tree cover by area, which includes many woodlands, not something I would personally call a forest (personal bias). The above information regarding conversion may have doubled in the past 9 years, and this is a much greater threat to forest productivity and societal lack of sustainability than forest operations.

Trees

Trees produce homes

Trees produce heat

Trees produce paper

Trees make toilet paper

Trees are always growing

Trees will always be plentiful

Trees serve Mankind

Men do not serve trees

Neo-Druids do serve trees however

...

America First The World Second

Grass Fires & Trees

Mbp1111,
Grass fires set by Native Americans burned the surface.  They probably didn't even kill grass, as the roots would be left intact, and they certainly didn't kill trees or animals, though they might have prevented trees from growing in edge areas.

More fundamentally, your description of trees as "resources" and your implication that indigenous people destroy the environment as much as we do is the typical defense of those who support environmental destruction.  My response is simply to look at what the Americas, for example, looked like before Europeans got here and compare that to what it looks like now.

Trees should not be viewed as resources, but as living beings that deserve as much respect as humans.  When I stayed at the Dine (Navajo) reservation in Arizona, the people only used dead wood and called trees "rooted people."  Much more environmental way to live and think.

Atreyger,
Your comment about needing to kill trees to live in Russia is an argument agains humans living there, not proof that people need to kill trees.  Humans have no fur and should be living in the tropics where we evolved.  Even having to wear clothes causes environmental destruction.  The farther from the tropics that humans live, the more destruction they have to do to survive.

Jeff Hoffman

Insects are animals too

Jeff,

Calling something a resource does not deny respect or even that it has a spiritual essence.  It simply means using something for living.  I know Native Americans respected the earth a hell of a lot more than we do.  

"your implication that indigenous people destroy the environment as much as we do is the typical defense of those who support environmental destruction."  

Do you mean my reference to Easter Island?  Have you read what happened there?  How about the Anasazi?  The great cities of the Mayan empire?  Ever wonder what happened to the large mammals that roamed North America that existed when humans arrived on the continent?  How about the huge diversity of flightless birds on south Pacific Islands that Europeans never saw alive?  Not all indigenous cultures lived in absolute harmony with their surroundings, as much as you'd like to believe.

My point is that people, all people, use stuff and that stuff must come from somewhere.  Sure, our society uses a disgusting amount of resources-- I'm not justifying our level of consumption.  Half my working life I've been educating people about ways to decrease their ecological footprint.  I'm just saying that there are better ways of using and obtaining resources, and there are worse ways.  Clear cutting old growth?  Bad way.  Sustainably logging 2nd growth?  Better.  Using products made of reclaimed or recycled wood?  Even better (but even it has an original use).  Not using any sort of wood product, best, but it ain't gonna happen.  

Jeff, unless you're sending smoke signals (from a fire made of dead wood) to someone doing your dirty work (typing your messages on a computer made of plastics, heavy metals, wood products, metal, etc.) from somewhere in the tropics wearing only skins from an animal you killed, you too are using resources. I am too, I admit it.

That is why I fully believe Friedman is right on with his article.  If environmentalists (of which I claim to be) engage the Forest Service, we can hopefully increase the pressure to start sustainabily logging on our public lands, instead of relying on clear cuts.  If we're going to use resources, which we all do, we might as well work to decrease the enironmental harm.

smoke signals from the tropics

Oh man, that was funny. He's right, Jeff, you cannot insinuate that we should all live naked in the tropics. Besides, my point is that the people living down in the tropics also use wood. That was what I was talking about with my 'knowledge' from discovery channel. By the way, it IS educational. Cultures that do not use wood are cultures that live where there is no wood or not enough of it, like Navajos or Ladakhis.

By the way, what do you think of beavers using wood? They are cutting live trees, and partially eating them but mostly using them for huts and dams. Should you try to reeducate them as far as their resource use? And by the way they tend to have quite a negative effect on tree growth around their ponds and wet meadows. Just putting things in perspective: sustainability of OUR WAY OF LIFE does not imply 'naturalness'. Poison dart frogs (Amazonian) are quite natural, but just try touching one, and you will kick the bucket. We have evolved with our ecosystems, and the ecosystems have evolved or changed with us and not always for the worse (that by the way is a value judgement and depends on what you or him or I prefer: personal preference).

You and I are white for a reason: we get more vitamin D this way, and if you stick me in the tropics, I will die way sooner than a native. Sickle cell anemia is an adaptation of human species to malaria resistance. Since less Northern people have it, we have moved away from adaptation to a specific region, and 'moved' our evolution further to a different region. We are constantly evolving as a species. By the way, what is good for the species is not good for the individual and vice versa. If the strongest of the species survive and breed, while the weakest die, that is good for the species. By the way that is one of the only 'real' rules of natural order.

I am not saying that current trends are a good thing (global warming, persistent toxic bioaccumulation) but you have to put things in perspective: if you are concerned with these things, you are worried about your or my (our) way of life and our previous experiences. We are nothing but a blip in the timeline of evolutionary history, and when we disappear things will continue to change and evolve but it's not really relevant to us now, is it?

Getting Ridiculous

OK, so instead of debating issues like how we should live or not live, you two are now attacking me personally.  Whatever, though I bet my ecological footprint is less than either of yours by a longshot.  You also obfuscate issues by taking a generalization about traditional indigenous people and using exceptions to make the point that the generalization isn't true.  Ridiculous.  More later, gotta go.

Jeff Hoffman
a matter of choice (for us)

You guys come so close to the point and zoom right by. People CAN live without wood (they do when no wood is available). Primitive people moving into cold climates needed the wood to stay warm. Today, people COULD choose to use solar power or geothermal or even heating oil instead of clearing the forest. Or they could reduce their presence in harsh climates. Indigenous peoples usually had no choice- but with modern technology and the experience gained from historical mistakes, we CAN reduce our impact dramatically. We have extracted so many resources already that we could support a huge population (at less comfortable levels) just by re-distributing and recycling, with better efficiency and reduced waste.

Houses COULD be built without cutting more trees, and we could build a lot fewer of them and a lot smaller ones.

Paper COULD be 100% recycled and we COULD use much less of it.

But since people think trees will 'always be plentifull' (and conveniently have no spirit), and since lumber is still cheap and trees are in the way of new development anyway, people continue to cut- it is no longer unavoidable, and we DO have a choice.

And by the way, Captain, I am proud to serve the trees- we owe it to them. Humans can live in harmony with Nature, if only they wanted to. Saying we cannot is just an excuse for not trying.

a liberal in redsville

Identifying The Problems v. Immediate Solutions

Kip,
When I say or insinuate that we "should" do or not do something, I am identifying how humans lived naturally before they began living out of harmony with nature.  I would not say that humans should immediately all move to the tropics, as if we could, anyway, but we should eventually get back there if we want to avoid the harms of living in climates to which we're not physically suited.  The tropical savanna of Africa is where we came from, and it's undeniable that the farther we move from the tropics, the more ecological harm we have to do just to survive.  We need to at least take this knowledge into account when making decisions, at best begin restrictions on human developments far from the tropics.  Maybe someday we'll all end up back there, but it won't be for a long time.

Re getting knowledge from TV, very bad idea.  Television is the ultimate corporate propaganda tool.  The networks sell the viewers to the advertisers, and the advertisers want shows that promote consumption.  So of course a TV show will try to convince viewers that everyone kills trees in order to make people feel better about consuming wood, but it's simply not true.  As I said, the truth is that MOST traditional indigenous cultures did not kill trees except on very rare occasions, mostly ceremonial ones.  The ones who did, like the one on Easter Island, didn't survive long enough to be murdered by white people.

Mbp1111,
Dave posted an excellent comment about the hypocracy charge that will suffice for my response:  http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/3/3/15539/05694

Jeff Hoffman

Not Demoralized Here

I don't know exactly what it would take for an "agency" to be demoralized.  Like "the Russians" or "The Catholic Church" whose demoralization really counts for the"agency" to be demoralized?

I would argue that I and my fellow workers are not demoralized, for the most part.

We believe in what we are doing and the form of government we have.. the tension between the executive, legislative and judicial branches of government as laid out by the Founders is applied to important topics- including as how the public lands are managed.  Certainly in our work, we get caught in the crossfire between branches but it's the best system of government so far and that's our job.  

Most of us have worked for R's and D's and based on our own predilictions, would prefer one to the other.

If on some days we are demoralized, it's more likely to do with the competitive sourcing initiative, computer programs that don't work, not getting paid on time, or plaintiffs or their attorneys who are disrespectful or nasty to us personally. It's not due to the some overwhelming desire to cut trees that has been thwarted.

In short, if they looked at what we do in the Forest Service and the contributions of the judiciary and the legislative branch, I believe the Founders would be smiling. Certainly I and my colleagues at the Forest Service are smiling. If folks did as Mitch suggests we would be smiling even more broadly.

Me neither, Doc Pine

Bravo, Doc!! As part of the next generation of "forest sculptors", I too am not demoralized by a lack of old growth not being cut. As a matter of fact, I'd like to see a revolution in how timber dollars are spent and how revenues are distributed. If we do have to cut some trees to save the forest ecosystems (and make no mistake, we DO), we need to get full value out of those trees and put ALL the money back into the forests. I surely don't want my hard work to go to paying for a poor foreign policy. Too many people posting here are fighting the battles of the last millenium. They don't realize that we don't clearcut or high grade anymore, here in California for the last 13 years. Yeah, can't let truth get in the way of some good fund-raising opportunities by the Sierra Club, Center for Biological Diversity and such. Talk about "extractive industries"!

Anyway, since many western forests have mortality levels exceeeding both harvesting AND growth combined, is it ethical to allow those trees to be "killed" in the name of "preservationism"? If you're going to apply humaan characteristics to the forest, is it "humane" to allow forests to die slow horrible deaths through drought, insects and fire? And, make no mistake that these events are "natural". There's 10 to 100 times MORE trees in the western forests than before the arrival of the white man. However, there's still less and less water to go around for these forests which demand more and more water as they get older. Take, for example, the San Bernardino National Forest, where timber harvesting was eliminated for 15-20 years. The forests became overgrown and even the most drought-resistant old growth pines died off in droves. And, this disaster continues today, as a majority of those 12 MILLION dead trees lie in wait for the next inevitable firestorm. "Natural"??? I think not. Another example of an ongoing disaster is the Tahoe Basin. Back in the early 90's, two thirds of all the trees either died or had their tops killed by bark beetles. Another example is the Bitterroot, where trees that weren't killed in the fires were attacked by voracious bark beetles because of past mismanagement.

Now, before people fly off the handle and accuse me of being a timber beast, I'm not for liquidating old growth, clearcutting and junk science. I'm for ecologically AND economically-sound forest management using the latest ecosystem science. That's includes managing for endangered species, protecting water quality, avoiding archeological sites, eliminating bad roads and listening to public input, amongst other important issues. Unfortunately, all too many won't buy into a middle-of-the-road solution and the forests suffer.

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Freddie Lies

Well here it comes, the lies propagated by the Forest Disservice.  I'm not going to waste my time researching the truth and posting sites to it here, but just suggest that anyone who wants to know what's really going on do your own research.  To say or even suggest that the trees and forests in the west are in better condition now than they were before white people is laughable/infuriating.

A founding member of Earth First! I just received an email from said that he drinks with timber company executives, but he won't talk with Forest Service people (we call them Freddies) because he can't trust anything the latter tells him.

Re lack of water, stop removing water from ecoystems, don't kill tress to deal with people stealing their water.

Jeff Hoffman

Re: me neither

Backcut, what universe are you living in? Trees are not the problem, humans raping the forests is the problem. Don't blame lack of water on trees. Trees are good for the land, good for the water table, etc. Trees are dying, yes, and it is because of extreme imbalance, human caused, in the forest ecosystems and the planet as a whole. When you cut too many trees you eventually get drought. Insect infestations are also signs of extreme imbalance. Fire is nature's way of getting rid of scrub, clearing "junk wood" and honing the forest for its next period of growth. Some species actually need fire to germinate.
Forests know how to be forests but too many of us have forgotten what it's like to be human.

Come join us in the new millenium, Jeff

In my many years of debating sane forest management on the Internet, many who cannot argue with facts and science resort to personal attacks. It appears that Jeff is no different, using politics, rhetoric and emotional angst to further their unsustainable goals. What about thinking globally and acting locally?? Whatever happened to the famous tolerance of the old hippie movement??

When even EarthFirsters are advocating thinning projects, you ignore the writing on the wall? I really can't see where you got the part about today's forest being "better" than before the white man. I, certainly, never said or implied that. MORE trees in the forest isn't always a better thing.

The true goal should be to have forests that survive droughts, insects and fires, while still supporting all the ecosystem features that harbor sensitive species. I couldn't care less if the lumber mills make huge profits. As a matter of fact, I believe it should be the mills "patriotic duty" to only break even on Federal timber sales. The eco-folks have seen to it that lumber mills died out, along with the precious jobs in those out of the way towns.

Forests ARE resilient but, not indestructible. The terrible logging styles of yesterday didn't "destroy" our forests so, today's eco-friendly style of surgical forest management will prevail, especially where it counts. In court. BTW, I didn't vote for anyone named Bush. If I had voted, it would have been for Nader. It's very unfortunate but apparently necessary to include politics in forest management.

I say: Depoliticize the Forest Service! Let science rule!

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Raping the forest??

Here we go with the angst and rhetoric again SML.

What's wrong with thinning our historically documented overstocked forests?? What's wrong with balancing and restoring forest ecosystems?

I've worked on projects in California that remove trees that are mostly in the 9-18" dbh category, while leaving ALL trees above 30" dbh, retaining 70% crown closure and using 18 foot triangular spacing (give or take, depending on the conditions). Apparently, even this style of restoration isn't palatable to the NIMBYists who can't see beyond 10 years. High-intensity fires have long-lasting impacts to everything we like in our forests. Even pre-historic archeological sites are being impacted and some of those are over 5000 years old.

Even though wood is a renewable resource, that isn't enough for me to eschew ecosystem qualities in favor of board feet.

Yes, it isn't always so easy to lump us "Freddies" into one nice easy stereotype. I'm also a nature photographer who shoots breathtaking landscapes and mountain vistas. I, too, enjoy sparkling water and recreational opportunities. I, too, enjoy seeing the rare wildlife and appreciating their shrinking habitat. I, too, marvel at massive ancient trees that can't be valued in dollars or board feet.

Are you part of the solution or are you part of the problem?? It seems that the courts are destined to decide THAT for YOU!

Lastly, I wonder what rape victims think of your  comparison of sane forest management to their terrible experiences.

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what it's like to be human

is to love trees, forests, and the creatures that need them. Trees symbolize the human bond with Nature- their roots embrace the Earth, their branches touch the sky, and their lives transcend the elements.

Trees have served Man for too long- the strain on the Earth is becoming apparent in the poor health of what now passes for a forest- their collective existance is threatened by the short-term, near-sighted vision of the human race. I think we all understand how the disruption of one link, the disappearance of just one species, could take down an entire ecosystem. But since we can't prove it was Man's doing in a Federal court, we can't stop the killing of trees or other forms of life.

Is it wise, in these times (where R and D is a tool of the R's), to trust any agency of the federal government? Let's remember who's running the show, and what they are willing to do to feed extractive industies (Sierra Club excluded).

The way to save the Earth's forests is not better management of a 'valuable resource' but to respect their worth as living, breathing, members of the web of life. By teaching open-minded humans to see the spiritual value of an old-growth forest, we can empower humanity to share the tree's long-term, long-distance, perspective, and perhaps earn our own prosperity.

a liberal in redsville

Oops!

In order to not be further misunderstood, I need to correct a typo on my part. I do NOT endorse having the lumber mills making huge profits. Unfortunately, some mills have a monopoly on Federal timber and tend to only bid at "minimum rates". This HAS to change! However, this certainly won't come about during THIS Administration.

I felt I needed to clarify this.

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Building Trust Through Beverage Consumption

Hmm.  A founder of Earthfirst says he can't trust anything anyone in the Forest Service tells him?

It would be difficult to argue that all of 25,000 (sorry I don't know current numbers) or so people lie about everything all the time. For example "the fire is contained" or "the road is closed."

Perhaps what this individual really meant was that he had never met a Forest Service employee that he could trust. That's very sad. Perhaps he needs to meet more FS people.

In the interest of building trust, perhaps FS folks need to spend more time having drinks with timber industry executives, so we increase our chances of meeting Earthfirst founders and impressing them with our trustworthiness.  It sounds like tough duty, but I'd volunteer.

More Freddy Lies

"There's 10 to 100 times MORE trees in the western forests than before the arrival of the white man."  "I really can't see where you got the part about today's forest being "better" than before the white man. I, certainly, never said or implied that."

No comment, this speaks for itself.

"Many who cannot argue with facts and science resort to personal attacks. It appears that Jeff is no different ...."

FACT: Forests have been around for millions of years, long before homo sapiens.  FACT: Forests not only survived but thrived before humans started killing trees.  FACT: The ONLY threats to forests are caused by humans, whether by directly killing trees or indirectly by unnatural management practices, like fire suppression and cattle grazing in forests, or by taking water out of the ground.  FACT: The only benefit to forests from killing trees is where the forests are unnaturally dense due to human fire suppression or cattle grazing. (In these cases, I fully support thinnning to restore the forests to their natural density, but no more logging than that.  However, these are the only situtations in which an Earth First!er would advocate thinning.  Anyone advocating any thinning for other reasons, like to save jobs or homes, is not an Earth First!er.)  FACT: Wildfires are not only natural, but NECESSARY for many forest ecosystems to be healthy.  For example, the cones of some connifers will not release their seeds without a fire.  Also, natural wildfires thin the forest so that "fuel" does not become too abundant and cause catastrophic fires.  FACT: Insect infestations in natural forests, which have more than one type of tree (as opposed to the tree farms that have only one species) do not destroy forests.  The insects generally only thin the forests, destroying only the weak trees.  This is a natual form of tree thinning.

I'm accused of "using politics, rhetoric and emotional angst to further [my] unsustainable goals."

My goal is a human race that lives in harmony with nature instead of destroying it for other pleasures such as comfort, convenience, or profit.  This is far beyond sustainablility, which is a very low standard that allows as much destruction and killing as you think you can get away with.

"Whatever happened to the famous tolerance of the old hippie movement?"

Don't know, never been a hippie.  I'm a punk rocker.  Hippies are annoying as hell.

Jeff Hoffman

Trusting Freddies

The EF! co-founder said that he won't drink with Freddies.  I deduced from the rest of his email that he meant that the reason was that he couldn't trust them, though that's open to interpretation.

The point is that the Forest Disservice works for the timber industry, at the expense of the forests and trees, the animals who live there, and the watersheds destroyed by logging.  You government people are paid directly by our taxes and are thus more disgusting than timber industry people, because you should be protecting the forests from the timber industry, not collaberating with it.  Those in industry are only supposed to be looking for profits.

Jeff Hoffman

Collaboration, Restoration, & FS Culture

In any conversation addressing public lands and environmental issues, participants must first distinguish between ownerships: public and private. I don't see that folks are making that distinction when it must be made. In our society, different policies and underlying incentives, disincentives, and assumptions do (and must) guide the differing legal and policy approaches to public land and private land.

Private lands, to a significant degree and within the constraints of applicable laws and their enforcement, can be managed how an individual owner pleases. As a practical matter, public lands should be managed in some way that reflects the way our array of public land laws say public lands should be managed. (Land ethics and philosophy are another issue altogether.)

With regard to USFS lands, what does our Congress-made law say about how the national forests should be managed? Good question. The answer will vary depending upon whom is talking. Our laws, when taken as a whole, are ambiguous and offer no clear, singular priority for management. Thus, management is always up for debate--in court and elsewhere. This is a major inefficiency, but it is the best we've got at the moment. To some it is a satisfactory situation. To others, it is not.

Although philosphy and ecological and policy-based debate is interesting, practical solutions will be found in clarifying public land law as it relates to the core mission of the national forests.

We must remember that USFS lands are publicly-owned. That said, much of the debate centering on ecological disturbance, anthropogenic disturbance, "use" vs. "restoration, etc. is well and good, but many comments posted here speak as much to personal values as they speak to ecological reality or prudent policy. In essence, we in society, in Congress, and in local and regional public lands communities are all operating on slightly different or dramatically different assumptions as to what the mission of the national forests is or should be.

While some measure of public debate is always healthy, the national forest debate often crosses that threshhold, where our energies in debate and legal battle would have accomplished more universal satisfactory ends had it been applied elsewhere toward other measures.

Is the USFS mission to manage for ecological integrity foremost? Is it to manage for commodity production foremost? Is it to manage for recreation foremost? Is it to manage for grazing and forage foremost? Is it to manage for clean streamflows foremost? Is it to manage for wildlife and fish foremost?

As many of you know, our suite of public lands laws, including NFMA, NEPA, MUSYA, FLPMA and others say basically that USFS must manage for multiple and divergent uses, must write forest plans and follow them, must solicit and consider public input on major projects, etc., etc. Our public lands laws, however, set no distinct priority as between wood production, recreation, habitat, etc.  Moreover, these laws do not adequately address issues of spatial and temporal scale. Is balanced multiple use to occur over a year, over a decade, over a century, over an acre, over a forest patch, over an ecoregion, nationally?

In other words, the practical reality of our public lands law is that because of the many management priorities, there is no clear  priority for our national forests.  Our having no clear priority creates a situation in which certain forces come to bear and set defacto priorities. These defacto priorities, beacuse of the ambiguity public land law, effectively become real, dejure priorities for Forest Service managers.

One of these forces is the budget that Congress makes for the USFS. Congress funds resource extraction--plain and simple. Both Democrats and Republicans are responsible for passing along budgets that skimp on trial maintenance, road repair and maintenance, ecological restoration, habitat enhancement, and wildlife monitoring. So blame the folks in Congress first for funding only the multiple uses they favor.

Congress funds timber sales. Congress funds energy development. Congress funds road building. This is not to paint all local and regional USFS managers is victims of Congress, but merely to point out that where the big picture focus of a forest is concerned, the decisions are largely tied to budgets handed down from Congress and further enforced by the central USFS office exectives in D.C.

Another force which manipulates the multiple use concept and sets defacto priorites is the President's administration. The USFS is an executive agency that serves at the pleasure of the administration. So, when the law is ambiguous, and the administration writes new regs for administering the law, guess what... the administrative regulations set priorites via their interpretation of the law.

Finally, my thoughts on Mitch Friedman's advocacy for collaboration and restoration follow.

Currently, there is much rhetoric flying around. If we are going to talk "restoration" or "collaboration," we must define our terms and agree upon the definitions. As Voltaire said, if you want to debate me, we must first define our terms...or something like that. The administration's definition of "restoration" and my definition are drastically different.

What I mean is this. To a traditional forester, or to those presently running the show, a "healthy" forest is a stand of evenly-spaced, middle aged (not yet "decadent") trees (timber), with no bugs, parasites, cavity nesting birds, fire, lightning, rodents, or other natural components that might diminish the market value of the wood. OK, I exaggerate, but not too much. Certainly many foresters value wildlife and ecological function, but to many foresters a forest is FOREMOST a means to produce a commodity, while maintaining some ecological values as side benefits. This is well and good on Weyerhauser land, but on national forests, the 'forest as commodity foremost' culture presents a problem in that it clashes with the multple use spirit of our public lands law.

Forest Service leadership is steeped in a tradition and culture of traditional forestry. Yes there are plenty of "ologists." There are social scientists, and hydrologists, and cultural diversity and all the other politically correct warm and fuzzies. However, unless one marches lockstep with the aforementioned defacto forces that drive resource extraction, she will not ascend the ranks of the agency.

Some questions and facts that speak to an insular and narrowly-focussed agency culture:

--How hard is it to get into the USFS as a new employee?

--Does the agency prefer to promote its own rather than bring in new blood?

--Is there significant coordination between the research and management arms?

--The professional organization most closely allied with USFS is the Socety of American Foresters (see SAF's position statements on issues and ask whether they jibe with the dominant policies on your local national forest).

Those who rise to positions of leadership (Chief, Regional Forester, Forest Supervisor, District Ranger) are folks who tend to be foresters (--yes there are some exceptions, Dombeck for example). Traditional foresters tend not to be steeped in ecological knowledge or a holitsic view of the landscape. They tend to view forests as a commodity--trees as standing dollars.

As for USFS management and timber primacy culture, there exist laws and mechanisms whereby the only way a local forest manager can garner monies that can go to non-extractive projects is to extract/harvest trees (see Knudsen-Vandenburg Act). Thus, beyond budgets that favor extraction, there are built-in incentives on a forest-level to extract in order to bring back discretionary funding that is not already dedicated to specific allocations by USFS central office budgets.

All that said, the current harvest of 2-3 BBBF is certainly less than the 12-13 BBBF under Reagan. However, timber volume is a separate issue from agency culture and the way managers would manage absent e