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The Norman Conquest

Al Norman, anti-Wal-Mart activist, answers Grist's questions


20 Jun 2005
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Al Norman.
Al Norman.
question With what environmental organization are you affiliated?

answer I'm founder of Sprawl-Busters.

question What does your organization do?

answer We help community groups fight off big-box sprawl -- strategize their battles, understand key objectives, and develop a game plan.

question What, in a perfect world, would constitute "mission accomplished"?

answer Getting people to stop shopping at these giant stores and invest their money in local businesses.

question How does it relate to the environment?

answer We would end the practice of building shopping plazas consisting of 20 or more acres of concrete and asphalt.

question What do you really do, on a day-to-day basis?

answer I hear from about three new communities a day. I help them strategize and keep my website updated with the latest developments on the sprawl front.

In The Same Vein
question What long and winding road led you to your current position?

answer I fell into this by accident 12 years ago when Wal-Mart came knocking on the back door of my town. When we beat Wal-Mart at the ballot box, my phone began ringing off the hook. What was supposed to be a 13-week campaign has lasted 12 years.

question How many emails are currently in your inbox?

answer Over 1,000.

question Who's the biggest pain in the ass you have to deal with?

answer Local officials and developers.

question Who's nicer than you would expect?

answer Local citizens' groups have been like angels in the midst of battle.

question Where were you born? Where do you live now?

answer Born in Washington, D.C. I now live in Massachusetts.

question What environmental offense has infuriated you the most?

answer The fact that Wal-Mart now has 358 dead stores on the market -- a total of 28 million square feet of dead space.

Al Norman.
No Wal-Mart here, says Al Norman.
question What is your environmental nightmare?

answer Being locked in a Wal-Mart store.

question What's your environmental vice?

answer Using a coal stove to heat my kitchen in the New England winter.

question What are you reading these days?

answer Zoning codes and comprehensive land-use plans.

question What's your favorite meal?

answer Chinese food, but not made in China.

question What's your favorite place or ecosystem?

answer Every place is someone's home and should be treated as someone's -- or something's -- favorite place.

question What's one thing the environmental movement is doing particularly well?

answer I don't think we are doing anything very well, and we have to behave as if we are running out of time to get it right.

question What's one thing the environmental movement is doing badly, and how could it be done better?

answer We should work on improving our regional land-use planning and development and reinventing our zoning codes. We need to form new county-based alliances of public and private groups to take back our communities from greedy developers and Wall Street investors and keep out wasteful sprawl. We need better state laws to protect us as well.

question If you could institute by fiat one environmental reform, what would it be?

answer Place a cap on the size of buildings.

question What was your favorite band when you were 18?

answer I liked Bob Dylan when I was 18, and my favorite song was his "Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll."

question What's your favorite TV show? Movie?

answer I only watch news on TV. My favorite movie will be the forthcoming Robert Greenwald movie Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price.

question What are you happy about right now?

answer Every victory over Wal-Mart makes me very happy. But a good organizer is often happy, never satisfied.

question If you could have every InterActivist reader do one thing, what would it be?

answer Friends don't let friends shop at Wal-Mart. I would encourage everyone to think of their shopping dollars as an investment. We need to begin to wean ourselves from Wal-Mart and invest our money locally, where it works better for the economy. The battle against big-box sprawl will be won or lost in the aisles. If you find yourself in their aisles, we are losing the battle.

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