There are few things more obnoxious than the declaration that your city’s music scene is just “the greatest” — but sorry, other cities, Seattle’s music scene is really great, and it’s a lot bigger than just grunge. We are, after all, no longer living in 1994.

And Seattle is definitely, for better or for worse, much changed from the city it was in 1994. So how does a musician actually “make it” here today? We talked to Bree McKenna and Eric Randall of Tacocat, the palindromic punk-pop stars of Seattle’s garage rock scene, about how they’ve seen that scene change over the course of their careers, what it’s like to be a band in such a rapidly transforming city, and how women are running shit on Seattle stages, both big and bar-sized, more than they ever have been before.